I’m so excited to be with Deb Julson who shed [we don’t say lost because if you lose it you can find it again] 45 pounds this year on the Ketogenic Diet. She is my first keto interview and we’re going to walk through this journey with deb and see what that looked like.
Lori Ballen: You were one of my first ever Keto coaching clients and did you start on April first with everybody else?
Deb Julson: 02:05 Yes. I was one of your founding members. And I stumbled. I don’t stumble. I started hearing about Keto, wanted to learn more, started googling everything like we always do.
And then I followed you from your “other lives” and started to see your journey. So everything is now keto. I just started watching you from afar and then you started your ketodays coaching program.
I saI knew I could use help in every part of my life, so why would this be any different? So that’s when we made the connection. J
Deb Julson: 03:01 I was dabbling before that a little bit. I was beginning that healthy journey. My first official recording of my weight was on April twelfth. So I started the journey probably maybe a few weeks to a month ahead of that time frame. I think I might have shed a few pounds at that point in time because I didn’t have the dramatic loss at the beginning that everybody else was seeming to report it.
Lori Ballen: 03:43 What did you, what did you have?
Deb Julson: 03:51 It was a little over two pounds a week even since the beginning of me starting to record it and I think part of that was because I was already started a little bit down the journey before I drew the line in the sand and said, hey, I’m doing this.
Lori Ballen: 04:12 Let me stop you for a second because you just said two pounds a week. Did I hear that right?
Deb Julson: 04:19 Over two pounds. And I know that’s a good thing.
Lori Ballen: 04:22 Okay, so that’s eight pounds in a month and this is what I struggle with when I’m walking clients through and I know you were one of them Deb and I actually showed the pounds of fat too, and talk to you about that.
Two pounds per week is actually exactly appropriate, but I’m going to bet that you were probably judging, especially based on mine because I lost 18 pounds and then 22 pounds.
I dropped so much in the first couple of months, yes. And then you’re seeing a couple others coming to the coaching group and just completely “whoosh”, losing a massive amount of weight. Two pounds per week, eight pounds in a month. Sixteen pounds in two months, three months. I mean the holy wow. That’s an absolute incredible.
Deb Julson: 05:12 it ended up being about 40 pounds in 5 months. And then the last five pounds has been lazy Keto. I kind of migrated into more of the Lazy keto, but the weight loss was about tracking. And I was very strict honestly for probably three months I was very strict. And then the fourth month I started to get a little bit less strict. But yeah, I was following all the rules.
Lori Ballen: 06:03 And so you’re saying you lost 40 pounds. She had 40 pounds in like four to five months, but I just want everybody to understand that it was my rate to.
That’s the thing we all have to understand is even though we may not lose the exact same amount those first couple of months is if you stay at it and track and do the things that deb and I both did, I think it evens out about that point.
I was a 40 pounds in four months and then 50 pounds by six months and then I kind of floated back up in seven or eight pounds until I finally found my resting weight. And I think that’s a, that’s a good gauge for me to understand is that you can definitely lose 40, 50, 60, 70, 8,101 year, but it may not come off at the same pace.
Lori Ballen: 06:52 And it all depends on what we all need to lose. So Deb, I remember you being really, really engaged.
In fact I gave you the award the first month even though you didn’t take it right. We had a contest where I gave away grill and Deb wanted it to go to somebody, somebody else, but it was because you were so engaged and you were in our facebook groups.
We can actually monitor engagement. We can see who’s the most involved. I can see who’s logging onto website so I can just, who’s who’s asking questions, who’s texting me? And you really were plugged into this at a super high level and I personally believe that’s one of the reasons you were as successful as you are, don’t you think?
Deb Julson: 07:39 Oh, I absolutely believe it because besides my husband, you and the group are really the only ones knew that I was going down this journey because I, I work from home so I’m not seeing people on a regular basis.
So I needed that added support. I know for me is that I have to be engaged with somebody that’s been there, done that and I can learn from and you and your team and the community, not just not just your team.
I could ask a question like what if I don’t like coconut and everybody seemed to chime in with their perspectives and that was really helpful for me.
Even though I can google it and figure out a lot of this stuff. It was for me, it was knowing that these people are first, I trust them, I trust you, and then the people that migrate to you,
Having that resource that I can message or post or something and saying I’m struggling with that. Or I had this win, which was another great thing about the keto coaching group as well.
Lori Ballen: 09:09 Yes. Because it is so important that we are not only learning with each other and supporting each other, but we’re cheering each other on and celebrating. Those of us that are super goal oriented tend to not spend enough time celebrating the goal and it feels really good to have people rallying together.
I don’t know that I ever would have made the commitment that I did and applied the discipline that I did if you guys weren’t all watching.
And I think that helps to have a public accountability. And uh, and uh, sphere of, of, you know, I did it crazy. I mean I’ve put it all over facebook. Thousands and thousands of people’s watch that even posting my weight over 200 pounds. But for me, I needed that cheering squad. I needed that accountability.
Lori Ballen: 10:01 And so when I decided to build my own coaching group, I thought, okay, I could just build a website and put menus and meal planners and tracking and recipes and all of the how to, but without a place to plug in with others that are on the journey with us, I thought that it would fall flat. And so we started actually with the facebook group for that reason. And then I built other resources on top of that as well. So for those that are watching, by the way, guys, if you have questions, feel free to type them in. I see Susan giving you all the thumbs up and cheering us on here. Anybody else wants to comment or ask questions? Deb and I are happy to answer your questions too, about the key to genic diet while we’re here talking. So, Deb, why don’t you share. Let’s start with this. Let’s start. I want to give everybody the real how to. And I also want you to share the story of, of why you started the Keto Diet. But let’s start with, um, what were your basic principles when you first started?
DebJulson: 11:02 I’mkeeping it simple. I, I didn’t want, you know, I’ve followed other journeys Iwant and I know pretty much everything, all the plans out there work if you doit. So what I wanted to overlay was the health aspect of it as well. So indigging in a little deeper understanding that the, a little bit of the sciencebehind it, but it wasn’t scientific, it was common sense once you understood ita little bit. So keeping it really simple because I have, you know, I’m in realestate, I’m on the fly, you know, at times there are some days that are betterthan others and so what are my go tos that I can count on. And then just reallyI had to be intentional. There is no doubt this is, this is a way of eatingthat is intentional. So some for thoughts.
Deb Julson: 12:02 I don’t even like to use the word planning, but more a little bit about forethought in that we’re keeping the refrigerator stocked with hard boiled eggs. Avocados are my best friend in the whole wide world. you know, the, what are those basic things, vegetables, butter, love that butter and the Bacon and you know, what are those basic things that I could just reach for in a meal that, okay, I, I know I can have m, two hard boiled eggs and half an avocado. Um, you know, a piece of Bacon if I so chose and that could be a meal for me and I knew what my Goto, if I was working from home and able to make a spinach salad, I could do that. And then dinner was usually a protein and a bunch of vegetables with butter and the good butter though the Kerry gold butter.
Deb Julson: 12:55 so, so just the basics and, and I also have a supportive husband that pretty much just eat twice as much as I do. He doesn’t need a, you know, a weight loss thing. But he’s very supportive in that as well. So yeah. And then I have family. I don’t know if she’s still on here. My beautiful daughter in law, when we visit them in Florida, she’s kind enough to always have something in the house. And it, it really helped some more that you, the more that you share, the more people realize that it’s okay that I’m not drinking or I’m not, you know, having the Tater tots that I might normally have, you know, because it’s all good. It’s all good and it’s good food. It’s good food. I don’t feel deprived or hungry ever, ever. And if I do, I know I didn’t do something right like a high, I didn’t have enough fat the meal before or something like that. So you get to, you definitely get to know your body in this and what works and what doesn’t.
Lori Ballen: 13:57 And the more you get to know your body, the more it’s going to work, the more you pay attention to those triggers. You. And also our reinforced what deb just said too, is that I’m usually when you’re hungry or you’re having some sort of cravings or something, well, cravings could be a lack of magnesium, a lack of potassium. There’s all kinds of things that can cause cravings and you’re probably not getting your nutrients that you need, but when you’re hungry, you’re not getting enough. That almost every time I can assure you that is the secret and deb and I both figured that out early is, you know, there’s a lot of good healthy fat in Philemon. Yon and steak and salmon and chicken and all of oil and avocado oil in Brazil. Nuts and allman’s and grass fed butter and cheese and I love deviled eggs. It’s, I, I’m amazed when I stopped making them, I want to kick myself because if they’re in the fridge I will eat them instead of something I shouldn’t be eating, you know? And that’s when we fall. We fall into those traps is when what deb said when we’re, we haven’t prepared. Well, we haven’t thought ahead and had everything ready. I’m Albert says I really enjoy keto, but there was a point that I’d lost about 70 pounds and hit a plateau. I became frustrated. What’s the best way to get over a plateau? Alright, I’m becky.
Deb Julson: 15:13 Holy Cow.
Lori Ballen: 15:16 Radical. Deb, you want to. How did you go through any points in your journey where you hit a plateau?
Deb Julson: 15:22 Absolutely. And what I, what I found is I introduced early on the intermittent fasting and I would say when I plateaued, I would extend that window. In other words, I’m eating, I usually eat two meals a day, and that doesn’t challenge me in any way, shape or form as long as I had the right meal the night before. I’m good until probably 1:00. That’s not to say that on the weekends that I don’t do three meals a day because my husband’s a three male die. but during the week it’s really simple. So that’s one thing. The intermittent fasting is I extend the window or aisle.
Deb Julson: 16:07 If I haven’t done it for awhile, I’ll make sure it’s there to some degree. And that’s really my main thing. And be strict. It’s strict about it if you’re not tracking track again, because it’s very easy to go over your ratios, um, often I would have too much protein and not realize I’m having too much protein. So that for me, that’s what’s worked in that works in the same way. I just got back from a five day, five days away in beautiful San Diego meeting. A lot of people having all sorts and I didn’t and I’m always okay with that, but I know when I come back now I’m strict Keto for a few days at least extending my eating windows and then I’ll be back at it in a few days. It’ll be back to where it’s supposed to be,
LoriBallen: 16:57 sothat’s. It’s funny. I was going to ask you about goal weight maintenance and Ifollow the same protocol by the way guys were those of you that don’t know, theketogenic lifestyle is about dropping your carbs down really low andeliminating glucose from your diet and eating as much organic and pastureraised and grass bed and we’re avoiding things like potato starch and cornstarch and all of these additives that we don’t need to have.
There’s keto for weight loss, which is essentially when you just drop your carbs and sugarand then there’s ketogenic lifestyle for health benefits. Also where we really get into the ingredients.
There are a million way sto do this and some people will never go off plan. They will stay a hard core keto for their entire lives and there’s other people that do adjust for weight loss and then they go back to real life, real life in eating carbs and sugar.
Lori Ballen: 17:50 They typically put the weight back on, you know, they just go right back at it. There are people to do seasonal keto.
I’m kind of favoring myself a little bit as I’m learning how to maintain goal weight. Will do seasons, so maybe just for the summer or just for the. For the fall or just for winter. Just for spring. Get ready for that bikini body. They’ll go strict, maybe just stricter. So there you can work at a low carb for a lot of the year and you could do strict Keto. There’s lots of ways. Some people do strict Keto for five days and then they do their cheat weekends, so don’t think that you can’t mold distance, shape doesn’t make it. Whatever it is that you want it to look like. I personally personally am finding that I like to go more low carb.
Lori Ballen: 18:42 If I go on a trip like Deb, you just did by going and cruise, all bets are off. Amit and the buffet. I’m going crazy. I’m drinking the frozen alcohol drinks. I’m, I’m having a good time and all of these seven or eight pounds up when I get back, right. I’ll drop three immediately as soon as I started going strict Keto again, and then I add in the fasting and the intermittent fasting and I, I, I wish again and I go back to where I’m at. So I’m pretty comfortable. December, I’m more low carb. I’m definitely not just off plan, but I’m, I’m more low carb. So back to Albert’s question. Sorry. When it comes to breaking through a plateau, there are lots of things that could be going on when it comes to women. I often suggest it could be a hormonal thing going on.
Lori Ballen: 19:27 That definitely happens for everybody. I suggest several things. One, when most people tell me that they’ve hit a plateau, it’s just like what deb just said, they’re not counting calories and they’re not. They’re not tracking, okay, but what happens is when we’ve first go on the ketogenic diet and we dropped those carbs and we dropped that glucose, we will start dropping weight. Unless you’re keto resistant, which is a very small percentage of people, you’re probably going to shut a bunch of weight, but then there comes a point as you get closer and closer and closer, you know you don’t have as much weight to lose, that it, it, it starts holding on and it has a harder time moving because it’s gotten already accustomed to what you’re doing and now is a point where people tend to make mistakes and they go super hard at the gym and they try to counteract it by burning calories.
Ifyou’re just eating Keto foods bite and you and you’ve gotten that far, uh, whatdo we eat? A P, right?
Entrepreneurial to purposeful. If you’re just eatingKeto foods, you’re being entrepreneurial, you know, that’s natural. You see arecipe, you get it, you eat the bacon, the eggs or whatever. You don’t eat thebad foods and you’re losing weight and then you get to a point, we have to getreally purposeful and you have to say, you know what, I’m going to stay under1200 calories. I had to count calories. Did you count calories?
Deb Julson: 20:48 I, I absolutely did. I counted calories and I would send them into you or the group. every day I would send that in and I think that is so important because you actually caught something for me and it was unintentional, but there are no coincidences. You saw that I had a banana and you said, Deb, you can’t have bananas. You know, even though it was within my ratios is just the amount of blue clothes in the banana just wasn’t helpful. So that’s a treat to me now is a banana with almond butter. Almond butter is good all the time, but that’s an absolute treat that I will have.
So yeah, absolutely counting calories. And I know it seems difficult, it really isn’t. With the right tools and the discipline and my fitness pal, and it’s your best friend, like Avocados, you’re, you’re. If you’re really intention is to lose that, that’s your best friend. There’s no doubt about it. And then you know where you went awry as well too, because you can see, you can see what happened the few days before. So, oh okay. That’s why I ate that banana and I made another one the next day. You know, so you can see where it goes those wrong.
Lori Ballen: 22:10 So what a lot of people don’t realize is that again, when you’re just working off the entrepreneurial style going off the good food list and the bad food lives, now it’s just kind of how you’re going. You’re not really paying attention to the fact that you can overeat protein and what alcohol does to the system as you’re moving through it. But I am.
If you lost 70 pounds and you were doing all that and you’re doing intermittent fasting, then there’s generally something else going on. But I also am a big advocate of longterm investing as well. And I think if you really hit a plateau and you pop in there and some 24, 48, 72 hour fast, where you’re literally just drinking water, black coffee, she, maybe some organic chicken broth or the best nature made or a chicken broth and there’s the one on the shelf which I sometimes drink.
Lori Ballen: 23:04 And then there’s the ones that are also a lot better for you, just a difference in the salt and whatnot. But if you’re doing that and you will probably shock your body right back into that momentum, there’s also something to be said for our bodies settling kind of on a plane. Weight. And deb, I didn’t ask you about this and you can give me your feedback afterwards.
For me, I shed 50 pounds and my first goal was 40 pounds and it was because I looked up a chart that said what I needed to be to be healthy ways on my height, my weight, what, where did I need to be? So I picked a number and I went after that and that’s. Then when I got the pounds, I said, no, I’m not there yet. I still got a lot of junk in the trunk.
Lori Ballen: 23:48 I want to go for another 10. So I sat out for another tenant. Although it was harder. I got to that 10 and I got down where I was and then even then I still was like, I’m fighting myself because now I’m back at the gym trying to build muscle and I, I don’t really feel like I need to lose skill. Wait, but my legs are still big and my hips are so big. So I wasn’t at gold body. So then I, I started. I’m really freaking myself out and having a, having a lot of anxiety around that. Like how do I go to the gym and do this and how do I jog this and I really don’t want to learn all of that right now. I really just want to stay thin. So I had to kind of find a balance and say, you know what?
Lori Ballen: 24:30 I picked a number and the number is 10 pounds higher than what was in my head. And I said, I’m at goal weight because no matter how much I fast, no matter how extreme I go, I keep going back up to this weight, this is where my body plate once a play. And now I finally realized I don’t think it’s about scale. I think that was, that’s a good number for me. I think it’s about tone, getting solid, you know, making sure that my body has less body fat because I still have too much body fat.
So now I’ve shifted into visionary inches and paying more attention to my body fat percentage. And that is now my goal. And I’m no longer worried about the scale, although I do have a 10 pound ratio. This is a high, you know, actually I have a, I don’t want to go over this number and if I ever go over this number, I’m, I’m not leaving my house until I go back under that number. So that’s kind of like my cushion that I’m playing with. So what have you found to be with you, Deb, with now that you’re.
Deb Julson: 25:31 I think, I think you’re right. I think there’s
Deb Julson: 25:35 the last time I weighed this amount, I can tell you it was all distributed a little differently. I like to stand on my head and let things fall, you know, a little bit more evenly. So I have noticed that, one of the things that he is. So I believe that I’m probably in that zone as well, even though I would love to be maybe another five pounds to give me that five pound., okay. One way or another and then maybe that extra five pounds would get me in one less size, you know. So, they’ll, I am about the, I think you guys started calling it, you and Ashley. when did you call it non weight loss wins.
I’m not. Thank you. Yes. So victories. Yeah. So, and I think that was because that’s really important because clothes are gonna fit you. The scale may not have moved, but maybe something reached attributed differently and you’re going to now fit into clothes that you haven’t fit in to before or, or somebody comments for the very first time. You know, that’s, that’s the most incredible feeling when someone comments that you’re seeing yourself every day, then you don’t know if it’s anybody else is noticing it. So when somebody says something, you know, I’m not gonna lie, that feels pretty Dang good. and then it inspires you to keep going. So,
Lori Ballen: 27:07 and then we see it in your face first. Yeah. That’s usually what happens. First of all, remember you posting that the first time somebody commented and how that made you feel. And I’m Deb, you were sharing with me too that your, you had a big birthday this year.
Deb Julson: 27:24 Yes. I turned 60 this year and that was one of my motivating factors in, it’s time, you know, I, I wasted a lot of time and I was you know, helping with the care of my mom and I saw her struggles towards the end of her life and I know she wasn’t really overweight per se, but I know that she wasn’t as healthy as she could have been and maybe some of the challenges wouldn’t have been as dramatic. So, and with, I’m, I’m blessed with four grandchildren and I really, really want to be the absolute best I can be for them. For me, for my husband, I don’t want any burden on any of them later on in life. And if I don’t start now, when am I going to start? So yeah, so it’s been a big year and a lot of ways. Absolutely.
Lori Ballen: 28:22 Well, congratulations. Happy Birthday. That’s amazing. What are the reasons why I want to point that out too is because a lot of people tell me they can’t lose weight because they’re too old, that they reached some level, some age. I do it. I’ll tell you the truth. I make all these excuses about being over 40, so this or that or whatever, or you know, I was at the gym yesterday and my daughter and I go to the gym together sometimes and she’s 26 years old, but I’ve, and she’s, she is thinner. But I, I feel as a general rule, like I’m pretty fit going to the gym, but I had three surgeries in the last 12 months and it’s definitely weakened to be considerably. But we had this exercise, we went to a workout and you had to wear these bands and they have different levels of how hard they are, green, red, gray or whatever.
Lori Ballen: 29:11 And so Sabrina, I picked the same ones and we both had the green and the red band and I started to pick up the week band and she pointed at me and said, go for the red band. But I was embarrassed because during the workout the band was rolling up and the instructor called me out and said you need to come get an easier band. And I was just, I was so embarrassed by that and I immediately went to all these excuses in my head that I wanted to say out loud. And then I said to myself, no, I just to work harder, I need to work hard. It doesn’t matter. What does it matter if it’s harder because I’m over 40. It doesn’t matter if I had. If it was surgery, it doesn’t matter what it was, I, there’s no reason I can’t still get stronger legs and get in better shape, you know, and I think we do tend to make all these excuses a year. A great example of somebody that you’re saying I turned 60 and I said 45 pounds the same year.
Deb Julson: 30:05 And, and I think it’s interesting you mentioned that about the working out too, is that I think you and I did the same thing is that we didn’t start any exercise at the beginning and I knew from me that wasn’t going to be an option because I’m, I can’t do it all. It’s like I want to focus on one thing and right now I’m going to focus in on the eating. And I think that worked really well for me and I think you had mentioned that for you as well. And then I started and then I started yoga and philosophy is that kind of thing. And I think that’s what’s making a difference now
Lori Ballen: 30:41 as well. So I personally felt, now this is so interesting to me because now, gosh, it feels like just yesterday that I started all this in one sense and then also it feels like a lifetime ago, but my brother Jeff and Debbie, you know this, my brother Jeff and his wife Ashley started a Kito shortly after I did. They were definitely inspired and as I was starting to lose weight, but they did it the opposite. They both went to the gym and they chose to attack muscle and body fat and everything at the same time. I did not one, I’ve studied a lot about the ketogenic diet before I started it and just watching videos and whatnot. And I saw red flags in there for myself that said, you’re going to increase hunger. You could actually burn through muscle. I tend to go too hard when I do work out.
Lori Ballen: 31:37 And so I thought, you know, I really think just changing the whole way I’m going to eat. I mean, that is a learning curve was it was so much for me to take on at that time that I said, let me just go at this first and focus on the weight loss and then I will focus on getting fit and tone. Now granted for me, I have some advantages. I was working out the year before so I had quite a bit of muscle and tone in my arms. I’m before I lost the weight. So what was happening with me is as the fat suit was shutting off, muscle was popping through so people thought I was working out and going to the gym because all this muscle was appearing, but the truth is a muscle never disappeared. It was just buried under the fat, so it started repairing.
Lori Ballen: 32:25 I also keep a body bar at home and I will get up in the morning. I will throw the body bar on the bed in a body bars, just a weighted bar that I’ve ordered from Amazon. I think it’s only like eight pounds or maybe that one’s 15, but it’s not super heavy and I would do these and I would do the rose and I also have the free hand weights and I would do these whatever, I don’t know what all the names of these exercises are. I would do these and these and these and I also think that had some advantage by never worked out my legs and I do wish now going back that I had just done like everyday I’m going to do 30 squats or something to help build that little bit of muscle under there because when I did go back to the gym after losing all the weight, it was much harder for me I think to start building that up and the end.
Lori Ballen: 33:16 But then again, I wouldn’t change the fact that I didn’t go to the gym because that for me exactly what you said, Deb, I know where I, I’m, I’m super compulsive. I’d go too hard at the gym and it would take on too much. I’d probably crash and burn and overwhelm of the whole thing. And that was just too much to take on. So I do like this balance of workout verse now. My brother Jeff, it has worked miraculously for him doing both, he is now maybe as of today, below 10 percent body fat. He was attending these weekend work in Vernon. He was just interviewed on the news. Fabulous. I know, it’s incredible. And I just watching him and and his wife did the same thing so everybody can, there’s so many different ways to do this, but some people when they, when they hit a plateau to that might be part of the problem.
Lori Ballen: 34:07 That could be part of the problem. It is the gym workouts, you know, could be, could be too severe or too extreme on your body. So there’s lots of those little things that you can play with. And, and Albert, I never saw a comment back so I don’t know if we hit on anything for you or not. I’m Alex says I have three to five pounds where I’m okay. And 10 pounds is like, oh my God, yes, that’s me. The 10 pound mark is the, Oh my God thing. Once I hit that, I’m in trouble, I know that I’m going the opposite direction and it does kind of give me that little bit of a, a little bit of a measure and right now I am peaking pretty darn close to the, Oh my God. Swat after the Thanksgiving and Christmas and I just told Sabrina, I go, man, I gotta I gotTa really start watching this now because I don’t want to go the complete opposite direction. but luckily like deb said, we know that we know where the magic answer is. Get some fasting going, give back on plan and just go. And that’s, that’s the, that’s the beauty of all of this is that we can give ourselves a little bit of room. So obviously bringing it back, bringing it back as a secret, isn’t it?
Deb Julson: 35:13 Yeah, it is. Absolutely. And just now it and be okay with it and don’t beat yourself up over it. I learned how to actually earlier on have a cocktail and I would do a club Soda Talk Club Soda with Lemon and lime and then as a splash of red wine on top. So I would get the flavor of, it was almost like a spritzer, but it was really, so would I would feel like I was having a glass of something. So, so you learn these little tricks and that wouldn’t take me off off pattern. I mean, I’d only do one that, you know, so there’s just little work arounds on some things and everybody’s different. Everybody’s different. What works for us or you or me isn’t going to always work for everybody else either. So
Lori Ballen: 36:00 the concepts that we all do have in common, we all are dropping our carbs way down. Now I’m somebody that tests and measures everything. I’m a marketer. It’s part of my nature. So I did go out and get the blood, the blood ketone meter, and for three months, two or maybe two months, I was obsessed with measuring ketones. I had holes in everything. I had him in my arm because I couldn’t get my fingers to bleed when I was really cold. So I’d use my arm and I started measuring like, okay, what happens when I eat this food? What happens if I eat 50 grams of protein in one meal? What happens here? What happens here? When are my ketone levels the highest? When do I feel the best at what ketone level, and so I’ve put a little bit of science behind it and in doing so, I figured out that I can.
Lori Ballen: 36:52 I can eat a spaghetti and meatballs and garlic bread, full carb lunch, I’ll be back in ketosis in an hour. Now, that does not mean that I should do that and it does not mean that I am that I’m not still putting on weight from all those calories and extra carbs, but what it means is my body is a fat burning machine and it’s so well trained that ketones now are no longer an issue. My body just starts producing them again. So if I’m after ketones for creativity, for energy, for extra effort at the gym, I know exactly how to control that. Now I know that if I take mct oil, two tablespoons of mct oil, ketones are to go through the roof. I’m going to get a killer workout after that so I don’t have to take extra carbs. I don’t have to do a lot of these drinks that people do.
Lori Ballen: 37:39 I, I do bcas now to start building the muscle. I’ll tell you what, after my surgery in April, all of that muscle I had built up in my arm. I had that muscle atrophy where it just, just, I just lost all of this muscle. It was so awful. I’ve never seen that happen before. And I got to the point where I’m only wearing long long sweaters and shirts again. Well, I’ve only been back at the gym now for about three good weeks and it is all foreman backup. I got that shoulder back. The muscles are pulling it up. So it’s just a matter of knowing our bodies and what’s going on with them and why they’re reacting the way, you know. A lot of people go, oh, you can’t build muscle on Kido Filoni Malarkey. Not True Malarkey. I don’t think I’ve, I think that was the word my grandmother, you know, my mother used that one. but if, you know, right, if you’re paying attention to your body and you know what works for you and, and your all, you can listen to your own signals and pay attention. You can totally, totally control what’s happening with your, with your body. Deb shared with us really quick, in our last few minutes, one,
Lori Ballen: 38:50 was there anything that you did, I mean, you were so successful with it, but is there anything you did that were you ever felt like you were failing?
Deb Julson: 38:58 Well,
Deb Julson: 39:01 while you beat yourself up, if I had a glass of something or I had a half a potato or something and it really didn’t impact me, but I thought it did. So I think it’s a lot of what we struggle with is in our brain and we’re accustomed to and how we reacted in the past is how we’re supposed to react now. And that’s just not true. And really understanding what’s happening in your body and your, there’ll be some weird things that have happened and you go, what the heck is this? And then I either ask lori or I Google it or, and you find, okay, well that seems normal and you know, I wish I would have started maybe the, the electrolytes a little bit sooner and been more consistent on some of those things that I got into that group right away and that all of that, it all worked out.
Deb Julson: 39:57 So things will happen. Odd things you’re going to, why am I feeling like this? Oh, it must be the Keto flu and this isn’t working. And, and it’s just not true. You just have to walk through some things because your body is adjusting to the way that it’s supposed to be nourished. And if it hasn’t been nourished that way in the past for an extended period of time, it’s gonna react. So I’m the. Yeah, no, absolutely. And then the more you get into it, the more you understand, oops, I know exactly why that happened. and you can walk past it pretty quickly.
Lori Ballen: 40:34 We always say in my keto Days Group coaching program, no regrets only resets. And when Deb and I say that we were strict, we are not saying we’re perfect, we’re not saying that we didn’t binge or didn’t have a something here or there or in my case a weekend here or there and I did drink alcohol during my journey, but I’m not a big drinker so it’s not frequently. And when I did, I made a trade off. I would say, you know what? I’m going out. I know I’m going to have a lemon drop Martini or two. And that’s about all I could take because when you’re not eating carbs, your cheap drunk, right? That. And so I would trade it off and say, okay, I realized that means I may have for power for days of no change on the scale because I’m not going to be burning fat.
Lori Ballen: 41:18 Your body will catch it up after the fact, but it’s a tradeoff and it’s an awareness, but we can not spend any time in regret or we move ourselves backwards. All we do is reset and go reset and go. That is magic to all of this is just knowing that you’ve, you, you can just get back on anytime. Ketos a very forgiving plan and deb and I shared about the same amount of weight and, and were two examples of we were not perfect, but we were strict and we did track and we did measure and we did go according to plan. We found proven models of success and we followed them and applied them. We didn’t get creative, we didn’t go outside of the plan. We followed up. We followed those models and that is a real secret to all of this. So what one piece of advice would you leave everybody with today, deb?
Deb Julson: 42:10 Trust the process, trust the process and, and you know, I, I would, I would encourage everybody to check out. I think you’re doing a sixties. I don’t know. You’re doing a launch I think on January first and I thought about reengaging in that as well. They’ll, even if it’s not lori, have somebody you’re accountable to because that’s where your success lies. I mean, even if you emailed your little pie chart with your macros in it, they don’t even need to know what you ate or didn’t eat or anything or your weight, you know, just do that. Somebody to be accountable to I think is really, really important. When things are important in your life, we need some support, so whoever it is, you know, do it. That would be my biggest thing and be okay with whatever it is. That’s no regrets. Reset. That’s really important because there’ll be a little rollercoaster along the way,
Lori Ballen: 43:10 but just hang. Alright Deb, thank you so much for joining me. Things to everybody else that was on the call with us. We appreciate it. DEB, you’re in real estate, right? Yes. And where can they send you referrals?
Deb Julson: 43:28 You can send them. You can message me at my facebook, at Dev Jolson or you can call me at eight. Four, seven, seven. Oh, seven. Oh, nine, five, five. I’m actually given my number. I’m in the Chicago land suburbs, so.
Lori Ballen: 43:43 All right. Thank you so much. I look forward to continuing to connect with you on this wonderful journey.
Deb Julson: 43:49 Me Too. Thanks.